My current take on PUA, but it's more than that
Some time ago I wrote something about this pick-up artist trend.
Shortly after I got my hands on some of that material and spent some time on it, it was mostly videos.
Interesting stuff ! So, one night I went out clubbing all charged and I threw myself into the role. The point really is to appear energetic, playful, not needy, somewhat mysterious.. basically to give an interesting mix of a fun personality and constance to keep that going for a whole session while making progresses, earning the woman's respect and confidence.
With little effort I saw some promising results, but that really isn't rocket science. The first thing is to manage to be in a good mood or pretend to be (professional take !), then all it's needed is to try keep the wheel spinning, faster and faster.
Fast forward to yesterday. I went out and I had no intention to talk to anything or anyone I didn't know... that's the normal me 8)
One should be cool and social, but I don't give a crap. I have an attitude worse than a hot chick on a "proud owner of a golden pussy" power-trip.
It doesn't help that there scraps of the last relationship..
The routines, the way to present yourself, the pose, the things you say and so on.. they are all interesting things. There is a lot of truth into it. Though explanations could be synthesized a bit and, to some extent, the whole thing does seem a bit lame.
A lot of stress is put into the problem of anxiety of approach. In this case what Mystery and his gang say is that anxiety is a normal feeling and that it's a bump that one has to learn to overcome thanks to the comfort own his own earned "competence". With "competence" stressed over "confidence", as confidence could be just an illusion.
Recognizing the need for "competence" however is a further kick to one's confidence: now I understand that I just need to be competent, but I realize that I'm not competent and further lose confidence 8)
Those guys tell you you'll get competent after a year or so of spending 4 hours per day, 4 days per week, trying to hit on girls.. that's a long way to go !
Mr.Mystery gives "routines", but the setting is different in my case. I've some off the bat "value" as I'm an Italian in Japan, but I don't have fluency in the language to sneak those "demonstration of higher value" subtleties that one is supposed to. In fact a native language speaker will naturally think some foreigner is stupid just by the accent or a by a misplaced word.
But I'm honestly not even really concerned so much about picking up at all. I'm more concerned about boredom.. !
People tend to go the safe way, to go to the same places again and again, avoiding the risk of getting into a club with no action and basically missing the opportunity to take a chance. Every time me and my friend meet someone new, that person will take us to 2-3 new clubs. At first it's fun but then it becomes boring again. Novelty wears off very fast !
It's important to have fresh thoughts, fresh experiences, new stimulations to make advances at work as much as in life.
Yesterday I went out but there was no excitement. Maybe if 2-3 beautiful chicks accompanied me it would have been great, but eventually that would also turn boring. Boredom is a state of mind, breaking out of it is not easy.
My job is not boring, I get to do cool things, but my social life is definitely not that exciting (though 100 times better than it would have been in Rome). I recognize that it's my fault too (or entirely ?).
One thing this Mystery guy says is to entertain girl with crazy stories. Yesterday evening I was talking to a couple of close friends of mine and I realized that I had some wacky stories they didn't yet know about.
Things about ex girlfriends.. which makes me think, I guess somehow I often (not always 8) end up with the "crazy ones" because I don't want to get bored.. maybe the same way girls like "bad guys".
But you know it, this is just a load of bullshit 8)
All this comes from animal instincts, mating, that's all. ..so much for being romantic !
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I am not clear what you are
I am not clear what you are trying to tell :)
That's why I wrote a lot 8)
That's why I wrote a lot 8)
Write 17 pages more as we
Write 17 pages more as we all are amazed with your talent!
Hey punk ! Be nice and write
Hey punk ! Be nice and write something yourself !!!
Maybe my life is not as rich
Maybe my life is not as rich as yours and there is nothing to write about!
That's a sad thing to say
That's a sad thing to say !
Anyhow my point was that one eventually gets bored anyway.. still should try seek for more.
Wealth causes people to get
Wealth causes people to get bored and demanding. For last year I am learning to appreciate what I have and stay calm about my demands. Maybe recent experiences with a lot of health (even fatal) problems affecting my family and my friends have changed my point of view a lot.
Small things like dinner with friends or waking up and feeling good make me really happy.
Some might call it minimalistic approach but I am really fine with it.
I think that wealth actually causes people unhappy. People try to find themselves problems that they try to fix with shopping and compensate with things or events.
And right now I can seriously comment on your posting. Might be that I am fully wrong, since I am not psychologist but somehow from what you write I get feeling of sadness or loneliness. And as I stated above, the feeling that you try to compensate for imaginary problem with some creative solution. I am not going to get into details unless you want to keep on discussing it.
I'm definitely not wealthy
I'm definitely not wealthy and bored out of my millions. I have a lot more to achieve, but at a mental level there is little stimulation in every day's life. Nothing new happens.
I understand that one can value what he or she already has, but to me it's imperative to keep on improving, whatever that means. I'd rather be unhappy and keep changing things than to be happy but with little stimulation.
When I say boredom, I mean the common boredom of everybody's life. Most people live a plain life with some mild excitement.
I don't like this monotone approach, it's dull ! I want to do more and more constantly.
Me being lonely, that's true too, I live far away from my relatives and I have no family of my own. Making my own family though is a scary thought, because every woman will turn nuts some day and she'll screw me up good. I don't want to be in the middle of a divorce with all the bullshit, with kids suffering..
Not having a family can be though, but making one is a shit deal 8)
This is what I meant.
When I say wealth I do not point to money. I do point to things that for millions people out there would be considered a God's gift. Just you do not appreciate what you do have and this is normal as for people who climb the social ladder a perspective on possessions and demands is changing. While for someone with basic needs as shelter and food your problems might be fully imaginary then for you such problems (shelter, food, running water, electricity) are non existent. In many cases I do believe you do not even realize yourself that such problems could ever be your.
Last year I have been pretty screwed up. I really was in big mess and I am very glad that I have managed to realize myself (with help of many unpleasant events) that I do really have a great set of assets that should make me really happy. As we cannot control fate and disasters that do affect our lives though we can find enjoyment in what has been granted to us by the same fate.
But I must keep thinking
But I must keep thinking that I'm poor and unhappy because otherwise I could have settled long ago. However for me it's very important to improve, whatever that means.
It's not just matter of greed.. for example going through the pains of (somewhat) learning Japanese is something that I could easily have avoided.
I was more referring to what
I was more referring to what you have written in the blog post.
HUNGRY!
Wow, a lot of personal stuff
Wow, a lot of personal stuff online here for the planet to see. You're a brave man, Kaz. I think what you are experiencing is what I'm calling the "Japan Effect". It happens to the natives here too. Daily life is more or less predictable. Some people end up "spicing" up their lives by doing risky things (like running red lights or enganging in Police Chases) or (at times) some other bizzare and possibly extreme behavior to be "alive" (kind of like that lady who prefers mean who'll cheat on her). The way I've managed to (so far) deal with this is by counting my blessings (along the lines of some of the things Duddie says) and just focusing on this things that make life interesting for myself.
I can definitely relate to the things about what you're saying about marriage and crazy women. A lot of it is true, but at the same time I'm quite confident that I'll eventually meet someone who I can share my life with. I've stayed single more out of the fact that I haven't (yet) met a lady that I know I can share my life with. There are many people all over the world (not just Japan) who really don't have any idea of what real happiness means and are (in the normal circumstances) ready to keep divorcing and marrying until they find the "right" person. Occasionally, they may be "lucky" to have some big near-tragic event happen in their life to where it would wake them up.
I definitely agree with you on the idea of improving oneself. There are so many ways to do this. As crazy as it sounds, getting married and successfully taking care of and raising a family is probably the "ultimate" challenge. But also learning how to find real depth in some of those daily "mundane" or taken for granted things is also a way. Here's a possible suggestion, how about traveling around Japan and get to see different parts of the country? Yeah, yeah ... it's so boring, etc ... but in that case, you can take a laptop with you and code with you're on the train traveling.
I have a close friend of mine who has been diagnosed with a terminal form of cancer. Death isn't really a big deal for me, but the realization that time is passing each day has been on my mind a lot. Don't let life pass you by my friend. You should check out this classic Japanese movie, Ikiru. It touches on a lot of important points discuessed here. 8P
By the way, wasn't meaning
By the way, wasn't meaning to imply that marriage is the key to happiness. Was just using it as an illustrative point. At the end of the day, it's about how much both individuals are willing to sacrifice/care for the other ... it's definitely not for everyone.
There is always
There is always Man-Love-Marriage as an option left for you :)
I am not aware of "Japan
I am not aware of "Japan Effect" thing. But you might be correct about this "social disease" affecting iDavide San. But this "Japan Effect" might not be purely related to boredom caused by being wealthy with all the surroundings but rather it can be an early symptoms of insanity caused by stress (overworked, overcrowded, living in high-tech environment, permanent pressure on social "correct" behaviour, etc).
Tokyo is for sure
Tokyo is for sure super-crowded. I'm surprised that people keep moving there ... I guess (to an extent) there's no choice if one wants to find decent work (notice that I didn't necessarily mention decent quality of life). I sure hope Mr. Kaz is experiencing lonliness rather than early symptoms of insanity ... 8P
Tho he has an AIBO :P
Tho he has an AIBO :P
No "Japan Effect" for me.
No "Japan Effect" for me. I'm talking about the average civilized individual. I can't speak for others but in general I think most humans fall in the same category. Life is very repetitive.
Being in Tokyo actually helps. I'd be frustrated and depressed in Rome or in Los Angeles, because those places are so much more static.
In Rome you see the same shops that have been around for 20 years, with the same signs !
In California things change more but everything is uniform, it's all about big chains. You can be anywhere in LA and eat the same damn things, shop 50 miles away and still boy the same things.. it's void and depressing.
Tokyo is great in that respect.. but more than that, more than the places.. the average human tends to be boring, to live a boring life, have stale thoughts. The average person doesn't bring any innovation other than passively carrying on the slow process of evolution.
We are all stuck.. most people are only relevant in big numbers, most people question only what they are supposed to question.
I forgot to mention that of
I forgot to mention that of one of the symptoms of the "Japan Effect" is the denial of it. ;-) The effect permeates the environment and the mind. Unless there's something unusual about the air we breathe (like an odd odour or the wind blowing), we typically don't take notice of it.
I was a bit surprised to read that you were bored while you were in LA. Of course, I didn't go to LA that often, but I found life in California quite the opposite. When not working, there was always something to do. I guess oddly enough, I went on quite a few driving adventures and visited different places with some former college friends that also moved out to California. The Japanese friends of mine who live in the States tend to comment on how Japan barely changes each time they come visit. I guess it's really about what one makes of where one lives.
I guess I must be crazy, but I've never seen myself as stuck ... if anything, I tend to have too much going on that I'd like to do and lately I've been prioritizing on those things that are more important and letting go of those other things. But also I realize that there's more to life than personal accomplishments ... I'm not going to be alive forever, so it's important to make best of the time I've been allocated while I'm present on the planet.
Historically there have been individuals who've made all the difference to the society (and world around them) simply because they refused to stick with the status quo or questioned those things most people tend to ignore. Given how Japan is, it's very easy to get sucked into this lull of sorts. I've met many foreigners who have been in Japan 10+ years and ultimately what I see in their eyes is the "Japan Effect". They've been here so long that breaking out of their repetitive life/cycle represents too great of a change or risk. I tend to think of those indivdiuals as the "Lost Gaijin". They've been here way too long to go back to their home country (or elsewhere) simply because they can no longer make a life or a living outside of Japan. I'm not saying this is bad in an of itself, but a lot of time I hear sentiments of "I'd like to leave Japan ... but ".
As a foreigner, Japan can be a very lonely place if you don't have your 仲間 or circle of friends. Lots of Japanese are very lonely for the same reason and have submitted to a very empty life. Of course, Japan isn't unique to this. Of course life can be very repetitive; I mean breathing is very repetitive ... if you stop for too long, it's likely you'll die (or your dead!). Again it goes back to what one makes of it.
I think you might just be going through a period of loneliness Mr. Kaz. Level up your Japanese a bit and seek out some interesting (non-time and life wasting type) of people.
Matter of taste
There is a big difference between us: I love Japan, it's the country I like best so far. I think it's fun and exciting. You instead have your valid doubts about which country you like the best.
I lived in USA almost 6 years and I can't stand the place. It's a great country but I just can't live there.. it's a living shopping mall.
I guess it's matter of taste.
So, Japan may depress some people but that's not my case for sure.
You're quite right about my
You're quite right about my doubts about which country is best. I've lived in the U.S., Africa, and now Japan. Also during my time in the States the majority of the friends I had weren't actually Americans but immigrants from various countries around the world so even though I was in America, I got a taste and a little insight to various cultures and ways of looking at things (in addition to the "American Way"). Life for me in the States didn't feel like a shopping mall at all ... I guess it depends on who one made friends with. Ironically, a lot of the Japanese people that know me say I act very Japanese. I've heard this enough times to realize that it's not some kind of thing people are saying to be polite ... especially when they explain to me in what way my mannerisms are "Japanese" ... and here I thought I was just being my normal self. 8P
Given my experience, Japan's not necessarily a bad place to be, but at the same time I've seen and experienced better situations and environments. It's partially because we're not Japanese we're isolated from a lot of the daily stresses and pressures they experience. In addition, because we are foreigners our jobs provide us an income level that I would say is "above average" that what most other "average" Japanese make. I'd even throw in that we are even more fortunate that we are men. If you're a woman in this country trying to make a decent life and career, it's very difficult from what I've been told (by the Japanese ladies I know). But that's a whole different story all together. 8P My current decision is that if I had a family while I'm in Japan, it's likely that I would go elsewhere for the sake of my children's education and sanity ... and also because I would want to spend quality time with them. Of course I realize that many people here don't have the same options to leave as I do.
My conclusion about which country/place is best is that the best one can do is to make the best of one's current situation (no matter where you may live). Essentially, the same kinds of problems exist in every country on the planet. They just seem different because how the culture expresses or addresses the problem. If one has the ability and the opportunity to reach for something better (whether for oneself or one's family), then one should do so. None of us are going to live forever, so it's best to make good of the time we have.
If you're going to be in Japan for a long time, it's best to "get busy" and "get native" with the language and the cultural quirks. You don't want to hit your 40s and 50s and not have good Japanese 仲間; these will be the people (not necessarily the foreigners you know) that will go out of their way to be there for you.
It happens to me now and
It happens to me now and then. I have periods when I'm very active with many things, usually towards some goal, and I barely have time for much else. Other times.. I find myself bored without the energy to do much and find everything boring, then I wonder what to do with my life, it's like nothing is interesting at that moment. Coincidentally most of the times life was exciting was when I had a girlfriend, everything felt more real somehow, like there's a point to anything I did.
Right now I'm single and I'm going back to Tokyo in a few days. This is really exicing and I'd like to know many more places of Japan. I was there only for a month last year, but it was enough to know it's the place I wanna live in someday. I really loved it there. (I still need to write my report :p)
I've been to a few other places in the world. US: Miami and New York. While not for long.. I doubt I would enjoy living there. I hated new york; Miami looked nice but really not my place at all.
South America.. well well.. I've been in argentina, and also lived for some time in Bogota (colombia). I don't intend to offend any (we have any south american readers?) readers, but the whole thing there stinks. It's really poor beyond belief, precarious, dirty, super expensive in comparison to their salaries; let's not mention IT services or safety. I could never move there permanently, although somehow I enjoyed it; most things were cheap for me, food was ok, entertainment was... weird. I don't know how to describe it. Life there felt really active, interesting, exciting (part of that being the non-safety). I guess I sound contradictory; it sucks and I'd hate living there, but I enjoyed it. Maybe because I was with my girlfriend there.
Europe: I live in a tiny island in the mediterranean. Life here is incredibly boring, and only a little fun during summer because there is plenty of tourism. Most jobs are tourism related and IT ones aren't well paid at all. I go out and know everybody, I hate that. It can be nice in summer with the beaches, nice weather etc, but after living here all my life I'm sick of it. There is no innovation, no good jobs, no excitement; local people don't even like the tourists and they stick to their own groups of people. I don't even have friends here who share my (IT) hobbies at all. It's quite frustrating. Needless to say, most of my friends are foreigners.
Northern european countries seem to be really nice places to live, but too cold for me. Europe feels like a big old country where people give far more importance to culture, languages, old buildings and such, than technological advancement. I've seen a little bit of France and Germany. Not my places either at all. (very nice chicks tho!)
It's really frustrating and irritating, seeing how people don't make use of available technology and push further for improvement.
I think my problem to enjoy life fully is that I want to do so many things.. I'd like to become really good in many areas. I'd like to know a lot more about phisics and chemistry, programming, maths, learn martial arts, things about space; I'd like to see many parst of the world; I'd like to finish many projects I started. There is so much and so little time, that I end up frustrated seeing how time flies and most importantly my youth. I just hit 28 3 days ago, and it feels like it's the beginning of the end. Knowing you will die someday and you don't have time for everything while enjoying life., knowing your projects might someday be useless because you'll be gone.. it's like.. "what's the point.. it will all go to waste". I don't care if something I do makes life better for future generations, I'd like to make a better world for me to live in, not for others, even if they were my descendants.
Making and raising a family: same thing. By the time your kids are adults you've wasted a very long time of your life.
Of course this will all be different when (if?) aging is solved. (very interesting read here: http://www.sens.org/ )
I hope it makes sense :p
Brian
gfs make you happier but
gfs make you happier but also softer and take time 8)
I don't worry about aging and I think that actually having a children can help a lot, I'm sure you'll be able to see ourself into your children !
I looked into the SENS thing and it's also related to this TED Talk by Aubrey de Grey which you possibly pointed to me first.
Most TED talks are interesting anyway.. there is two others I'd like to point, they are somehow contradictory but very relevant to the topic:
Barry Schwartz: The paradox of choice
Dan Gilbert: Why are we happy? Why aren't we happy?
Philosophy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy
I personally think that no amount of philosophy can substitute for experience.
We see it very often in programming. People plan and philosophise a lot about ways of implementing something without having actually ever tried to do it.
But once they get into the implementation stage suddenly a lot of previously unclear issues become obvious, or some new problems come up that they never thought about. And all the philosophy goes flying out of the window =)
Of course it is fun and mentally stimulating to try to assign values to various aspects of human life and establish cause and effect conditions, but does it actually have any real value without practical proof? =)
Aaaah ... sage African
Aaaah ... sage African wisdom!
The speakers in those videos
The speakers in those videos seem definitely older than either of us. I'd then guess they have more experience ? 8)
I understand that perhaps they over think things. In general however those speeches are interesting because people can relate with their own experiences.
Experiences in life and in coding are bound to be somewhat different. It's much easier to predict things with code because there is no other human to worry about.. of course with code one needs to predict a lot more accurately, or all sort of bugs and compiler errors will come out.
The second speech also makes a point of human brain's tendency to fail at predicting things accurately. Experience forms bias and bias goes against objectivity.
They have more life
They have more life experience, but not necessarily on the topics that they are covering.
I guess what I am trying to say is that analysing or philosiphising concepts based on actual proven data can be very valuable.
But I doubt it has any practical value when your source is based on assumptions only =)
Experience only makes you biased in a way that you resist trying something that failed for you in the past.
Dan Gilbert mentions some
Dan Gilbert mentions some form of research and Barry Schwartz himself is talking about a book he wrote, I wold hope not based on mere assumptions.
It's true that the smartest people can make big mistakes and that those that push something forward may get trapped in their own initial beliefs.. however it's safe to say that neither of those speakers is working on assumptions only. In fact the beauty of the talks is that, like for funny jokes, the listener is at time surprised while being able to relate.
We can contest whatever we want, but I wouldn't disregard those psychologists that quickly 8)
Happiness comes and goes.
Happiness comes and goes. It's just a plain fact about being human and living in the world we're in; it's an inescapable reality. At present given how things are, it's more of a balance of both. If one is unhappy most of the time, those nasty dark clouds of depression are sure to quickly gather and suddenly even the brightest things in life may lose their meaning and significance. If is happy all the time then (I would say) that to an extent we lose an element of our humanity in terms of being able to empathize with others when they are going through those down periods in life. Ultimately though, the happiness/unhappiness thing is a direct side effect of the imperfect world we live in.
That's why I say that we should try to make the best of whatever situation we find ourselves in. If it's possible to change it, then do so. There are people out there with tons of money but are miserable. They have access to whatever they want, whenever they want, but yet somehow they're not fulfilled with their life. Yet you have some poor individual elsewhere on the planet who (though very poor) is living a full life because he/she has found contentment (not apathy) with what they have and/or their situation. It's also likely that they value those smaller things most people take for granted.
I'm definitely not an expert nor a psychologist, but I can safely say that I've come to understand myself well and the majority of times when I'm "unhappy" is simply because I'm not being thankful for those things I take for granted on a daily basis. One could say that at times as human beings, we look for reasons to be unhappy ... kind of like spoiled children I suppose. 8P
Potheads
If you want to be happy just smoke some marijuana.
Many people did it at least once and many do it frequently anyway. I never tried it but I'm pretty sure that it's a great way to be happy.. though makes people lazy which is very bad for economy 8)
People in power, like Duddie when he plays Sim City, need hard working bees, not happy and lazy individuals that have no reason to push forward.
But I like being unhappy if that means that I feel like moving my ass.. though happy people can be also productive, but ultimately not as good.
I don't smoke but I drink alcohol, which is still a drug, but a legal one and one that in reasonable doses stimulates activity.
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But I like being unhappy if
But I like being unhappy if that means that I feel like moving my ass
Wow ... I think we must have different definitions of "happiness". Maybe the better word is "satisfied" or "satisfaction"? I wouldn't imagine people need any kind of stimulants for that ... it's one thing to not be satisfied with something, it's another thing (definition-wise) to be unhappy about it. I'll pass on unhappiness as a motivator any day ... Knowing that if I get something done which will allow me to do something else is good enough to get me moving!! 8P
I had the privilege of
I had the privilege of seeing mr kaz start his drinking career =)
There was a somewhat brief experimental period where beer was tried and rejected, then vodka and orange was accepted for a while, but determined to have bad effects on digestion due to acidic nature of citric fruits. Eventually vodka and cranberry juice or just plain vodka was found acceptable =)
Recently it's more often
Recently it's more often orange than cranberry ! And also Red Bull & vodka.
Sometimes I pay extra to get decent vodka rather than the bullshit one they often serve in clubs 8)
uuummm dunno about red bull
uuummm dunno about red bull and vodka combination. too many chemicals!!!
if you want something to make the vodka sweeter, try kahlua and vodka, i believe it is also known as a 'black russian'. Also kahlua in itself has some alcohol content so you wont be diluting it as much.
Bourbon (50 ml) + Lemon
Bourbon (50 ml) + Lemon juice (squeeze two lemons) + 2 spoons of brown sugar
However I still prefer good red wine.
PS. Vodka + RedBull is real killer for the body and can lead to serious heart problems.
Geezzz... I have no history
Geezzz... I have no history of heart conditions in my family.. how's a drink going to give me heart conditions ?!
In fact I hardly ever feel any extra energy.. the energy part is the bull(shit) part I think 8)
If you find spare time
If you find spare time within your boredom, just search on the internet for a medical opinions on this shit drink. I am not a doctor to be a valuable source of information.
We'll search.. but I'm
We'll search.. but I'm working right now, and even with I'm home I'm busy 8)
The thing about boredom has been misunderstood.. what I meant to say is that everyone is bored and boring ..from my demanding point of view !
It could be that I'm less bored than you, but I just want more (or maybe not !).
BBB - Bored, Busy, Bathroom
1. I do understand what you mean but it is fun ride on wording anyway :)
2. Please give me an email for your boss. I have suggestion for him to install computer at bathroom. That should boost your productivity at least 3 times!
And here is for your information:
Alcohol, Red Bull mix may lead to death
Dr. Anita Sandretto, interim director of the School of Public Health"s Human Nutrition Program, said that this "wide awake and drunk" effect may carry fatal consequences.
"A high level of caffeine is a tremendous "upper" or stimulant to the central nervous system, while alcohol is a "downer" or depressant. When high levels of these two are ingested together, the body doesn"t know what to do the two do not cross each other out to become neutral. The net result can be heart failure," Sandretto said.
Bon Appétit MF!
Red Bull's bullshit
1. I do understand what you mean but it is fun ride on wording anyway :)
Some for me 8P
About the Red Bull. The article is obviously FUD. For one thing, it was from 5-6 years ago, which leads me to believe that there hasn't been much to follow.
At the beginning it even mentions a woman dying from dehydration.. wooo !! It surely does take some effort to die from dehydration !! ..speaking of which, I usually drink plenty of water sometimes between drinks and surely before going to sleep after drinking alcohol.
Also notice how people can die from drinking too much water 8)
Red Bull being stimulant and alcohol being depressant, yeah well, it leads to some speculations, but honestly how many people die from drinking alcohol without Red Bull ? There is caffeine in Coke too !
The explosive combination of Red Bull and alcohol really doesn't stand up. If there was any truth to this, corrective action would have been taken all over the world in the 5 years since that piece of news.. while in fact Red Bull just got bigger and bigger. Basically every club in Tokyo has Red Bull signs nowadays. (I've heard that it is banned in some countries though ?)
From Wikipedia -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_bull#Health_concerns
As of 2007, Red Bull remains prohibited in Denmark, Norway, France, Uruguay and Iceland.
Red Bull is subject to numerous unproven claims of adverse health effects, most of which are urban legends. In 2001, the drink was investigated by the Swedish National Food Administration after being linked to the deaths of three consumers, and was completely cleared.
This is classic case of singling out deaths and associating them with a product. Millions of people die every year from all sort of things. If they were drinking, you can go there and see what they last drank. If it's Coke & rum, organge and vodka, you don't really get on the case. It's much easier to instead get on the case of some debated energy drink.
Yeah, the more caffeine the stronger the effect, but you have to have some previous conditions or to be drinking rather heavily to actually die from the thing..
I have to agree with Kaz
I have to agree with Kaz here, I think it depends on the person. I have co-workers that have a sip of coca cola and go on a sugar 'high.
I can drink 3-4 355ml coca colas in a row and dont really feel any different. Same with RedBull, I tried it a few times and didnt feel any effects, but hated the taste of it, thats why I wouldnt mix it with vodka. Too many chemicals in there give it a bad taste in my opinion.
I did not say that
I did not say that RedBullShit kills but mixing it with alcohol is for sure not healthy. It would be the same as drinking 10 double-espressos with half bottle of vodka - because this is more or less how many cans you mix with half bottle of vodka.
maybe drinking RedBull and
maybe drinking RedBull and vodka impresses the teenage girls in the clubs that he goes to, since it has the sound of a hi-tech drink =)
But iDavide has artistic
But iDavide has artistic approach so I would expect some "artistic" drinks like Hippopotamus urine with tequila.
Black Bull
Not really, it's more like a replacement for a coffee.. but like you, I don't really feel anything special.
BTW energy drinks are very popular in Japan, there are all sort of energy drinks going around. Once they offered some to me as I was working over the clock.. but I refused it.. fack that, just give me a proper working schedule !!
More FUD
Red Bull has as much caffeine as one cup of coffee.. ..you keep falling into the trap of trying to find evil at every cost 8)
This Red Bull thing really seems to be an urban legend.
Geez MF! You drink ONE drink
Geez MF! You drink ONE drink per night?!?!!?
Mr. Kaz, are you really
Mr. Kaz, are you really drinking one Red Bull per night? If so, this may be the source of your sleeping problems! 8P The body and mind are over-stimulated. You don't want to explode my friend. But if you are staying up late, why not level-up your Japanese with A Logical Japanese Grammar? I recently committed a language faux-paus, but was kindly corrected. (^-^; It's kind of odd because the book I was studying from was by a native Japanese author, but lacked the cultural contextual explanation ... in which I was recently (in-directly) chewed out ... ha ha ha ... At least know I know exactly when not to use the grammar construct. 8P Get busy and get native!